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		<title>By: Icepick</title>
		<link>http://opiningonline.com/2009/10/17/good-morning-dear-reader/comment-page-1/#comment-7104</link>
		<dc:creator>Icepick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes I do, but I usually figure them out. He&#039;s (understandably) big on statistics and probability, but I always hated that. Give me good clean mathematical analysis or higher algebra anyday. (I used to be a graduate student in mathematics before I realized there was no money in it, and that my passion wasn&#039;t great enough to overcome the lack of remuneration. Of course, I&#039;m unemployed now, so perhaps I should&#039;ve stuck with it! But mainly I love problems with definitive answers, which ain&#039;t statistics strong suite.)

As for chess and poker, both are games of high skill and require much practice before any real profeciency can be felt. I&#039;m an okay chess player (Class A/B on the USCF scales) and a terrible poker player. There&#039;s only so much practice I&#039;m willing to give to either, so I will likely never get much better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I do, but I usually figure them out. He&#8217;s (understandably) big on statistics and probability, but I always hated that. Give me good clean mathematical analysis or higher algebra anyday. (I used to be a graduate student in mathematics before I realized there was no money in it, and that my passion wasn&#8217;t great enough to overcome the lack of remuneration. Of course, I&#8217;m unemployed now, so perhaps I should&#8217;ve stuck with it! But mainly I love problems with definitive answers, which ain&#8217;t statistics strong suite.)</p>
<p>As for chess and poker, both are games of high skill and require much practice before any real profeciency can be felt. I&#8217;m an okay chess player (Class A/B on the USCF scales) and a terrible poker player. There&#8217;s only so much practice I&#8217;m willing to give to either, so I will likely never get much better.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not going to ponder too long on the fact that I&#039;ve always sucked at poker and chess. And math. 

Do you have trouble with Razib&#039;s graphs? Sometimes I find them incomprehensible and cannot figure out why he comes to the conclusions he does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not going to ponder too long on the fact that I&#8217;ve always sucked at poker and chess. And math. </p>
<p>Do you have trouble with Razib&#8217;s graphs? Sometimes I find them incomprehensible and cannot figure out why he comes to the conclusions he does.</p>
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		<title>By: Icepick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Icepick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I love Gene Expression when Razib posts on something I can understand.&lt;/i&gt;

Me too! That site is DEEP.</description>
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<p>Me too! That site is DEEP.</p>
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		<title>By: Icepick</title>
		<link>http://opiningonline.com/2009/10/17/good-morning-dear-reader/comment-page-1/#comment-7101</link>
		<dc:creator>Icepick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;correlation is not causation&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Right-o. Taller people TEND to be more intelligent. (I mentioned differences in racial groupings earlier. Differences by sex also apply. So a woman should be judged height-wise against other women, not men or the overall average.) It doesn&#039;t mean that very tall people can&#039;t be very stupid. (&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Williams&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jayson Williams, I&#039;m looking in your direction&lt;/a&gt;) or that short people can&#039;t be brilliant. 

(I don&#039;t think Einstein was terribly tall, and I was significantly taller than the most brilliant people I&#039;ve ever met, and much the inferior to them in intellect. I&#039;m talking about everyone from the merely extremely brilliant (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.math.ufl.edu/~gge/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Prof. Emch at UF&lt;/a&gt;, who sounds like a happy, less-gravelly version of Henry Kissinger) to giants of 20th century mathematics (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.webcitation.org/5XxtY4s3z&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John Thompson&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Erdos&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Paul Erdos&lt;/a&gt;). Not the best citation for Thompson, but I couldn&#039;t resist the headline!)

As counter examples, I can point out that many of the top poker players are VERY tall (many of the men are over 6&#039;4&quot; IIRC) and that many of the current crop of top chess players are also tall. (Here I will cite a &lt;a href=&quot;http://chessmind.powerblogs.com/mexico_city_world_championship_2007/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;first hand account from the 2007 World Championship Tournament in Mexico&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;blockquote&gt;About the players themselves, they generally managed to disappear quite effectively between rounds (except for Aronian), but they were all quite impressive in their own ways. Each had a real presence about them that could probably prove intimidating to lesser opponents (helped along by the fact that all of them but Aronian are over 6 feet tall, most of them well over 6 feet).&lt;/blockquote&gt;Also note that the correlation could simply mean that another factor is at play: One can easily envision that improved nutrition for the young would mean both more height and more intelligence later in life. Someone with the right resources could probably use the old Soviet Union as a test case. I recall reading once that those children born in the 1950s tended to be 3-4 inches taller than their parents, on average. The 1950s were a time of relative plenty for the Soviets, and the 1930s (when the parents in this generation comparison were coming of age) were a time a famine in strife in many parts of that vast nation. I wonder if their were good IQ studies made of each generation. (Quite possibly not, given the impact of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lysenkosim&lt;/a&gt; on Soviet science.)</description>
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<p>Right-o. Taller people TEND to be more intelligent. (I mentioned differences in racial groupings earlier. Differences by sex also apply. So a woman should be judged height-wise against other women, not men or the overall average.) It doesn&#8217;t mean that very tall people can&#8217;t be very stupid. (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Williams" rel="nofollow">Jayson Williams, I&#8217;m looking in your direction</a>) or that short people can&#8217;t be brilliant. </p>
<p>(I don&#8217;t think Einstein was terribly tall, and I was significantly taller than the most brilliant people I&#8217;ve ever met, and much the inferior to them in intellect. I&#8217;m talking about everyone from the merely extremely brilliant (<a href="http://www.math.ufl.edu/~gge/" rel="nofollow">Prof. Emch at UF</a>, who sounds like a happy, less-gravelly version of Henry Kissinger) to giants of 20th century mathematics (<a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5XxtY4s3z" rel="nofollow">John Thompson</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Erdos" rel="nofollow">Paul Erdos</a>). Not the best citation for Thompson, but I couldn&#8217;t resist the headline!)</p>
<p>As counter examples, I can point out that many of the top poker players are VERY tall (many of the men are over 6&#8217;4&#8243; IIRC) and that many of the current crop of top chess players are also tall. (Here I will cite a <a href="http://chessmind.powerblogs.com/mexico_city_world_championship_2007/" rel="nofollow">first hand account from the 2007 World Championship Tournament in Mexico</a>:<br />
<blockquote>About the players themselves, they generally managed to disappear quite effectively between rounds (except for Aronian), but they were all quite impressive in their own ways. Each had a real presence about them that could probably prove intimidating to lesser opponents (helped along by the fact that all of them but Aronian are over 6 feet tall, most of them well over 6 feet).</p></blockquote>
<p>Also note that the correlation could simply mean that another factor is at play: One can easily envision that improved nutrition for the young would mean both more height and more intelligence later in life. Someone with the right resources could probably use the old Soviet Union as a test case. I recall reading once that those children born in the 1950s tended to be 3-4 inches taller than their parents, on average. The 1950s were a time of relative plenty for the Soviets, and the 1930s (when the parents in this generation comparison were coming of age) were a time a famine in strife in many parts of that vast nation. I wonder if their were good IQ studies made of each generation. (Quite possibly not, given the impact of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism" rel="nofollow">Lysenkosim</a> on Soviet science.)</p>
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		<title>By: Donna B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course that ONE person on top of the bell curve could probably type words in order better than I can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course that ONE person on top of the bell curve could probably type words in order better than I can.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And... every individual is an outlier in some way, which is what makes us interesting to each other. Can you possibly imagine what an absolute boor and bore the person one the top of the bell curve would be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And&#8230; every individual is an outlier in some way, which is what makes us interesting to each other. Can you possibly imagine what an absolute boor and bore the person one the top of the bell curve would be?</p>
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		<title>By: Donna B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember, lilsis, that correlation is not causation :) Since I have shrunk in height by almost 2 inches and lost about 25 IQ points during the same time period, I would love to believe that either one caused the other. I&#039;m really looking for almost ANYTHING other than age to blame either on.

Spend a few days (because a few hours won&#039;t be enough!) reading Gene Expression. The take away message is that nothing statistical applies to individuals, only to large groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember, lilsis, that correlation is not causation <img src='http://opiningonline.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Since I have shrunk in height by almost 2 inches and lost about 25 IQ points during the same time period, I would love to believe that either one caused the other. I&#8217;m really looking for almost ANYTHING other than age to blame either on.</p>
<p>Spend a few days (because a few hours won&#8217;t be enough!) reading Gene Expression. The take away message is that nothing statistical applies to individuals, only to large groups.</p>
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		<title>By: LittleSister</title>
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		<dc:creator>LittleSister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take exception to the &quot;intelligence is correlated with height&quot; statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take exception to the &#8220;intelligence is correlated with height&#8221; statement.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL... yes, where&#039;s the fun in actual facts? I love Gene Expression when Razib posts on something I can understand :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL&#8230; yes, where&#8217;s the fun in actual facts? I love Gene Expression when Razib posts on something I can understand <img src='http://opiningonline.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Icepick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Icepick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As a big-boobed blonde of above average IQ who has given birth to a redhead, blonde, and brunette of above average IQ (and I won’t comment either on the boob size or gender…) I gotta ask… does penis size correlate with IQ? Is smaller smarter?&lt;/i&gt;

Intelligence is correlated with height. Presumably penis size is correlated with height, at least within a racial grouping. So maybe so. On the other hand, the Ashkenazim and East Asians tend to have higher than average average IQs, so maybe not! 

I imagine that the height to IQ correlation works within racial groupings, so taller than average Askenazim or East Asians probably tend to be more intelligent than average. I could hit Gene Expression and from there other sources to look it up and actually create an informed opinion, &lt;i&gt;BUT WHERE&#039;S THE FUN IN THAT?!&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As a big-boobed blonde of above average IQ who has given birth to a redhead, blonde, and brunette of above average IQ (and I won’t comment either on the boob size or gender…) I gotta ask… does penis size correlate with IQ? Is smaller smarter?</i></p>
<p>Intelligence is correlated with height. Presumably penis size is correlated with height, at least within a racial grouping. So maybe so. On the other hand, the Ashkenazim and East Asians tend to have higher than average average IQs, so maybe not! </p>
<p>I imagine that the height to IQ correlation works within racial groupings, so taller than average Askenazim or East Asians probably tend to be more intelligent than average. I could hit Gene Expression and from there other sources to look it up and actually create an informed opinion, <i>BUT WHERE&#8217;S THE FUN IN THAT?!</i></p>
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